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#: 562 S1/General Information 28-Apr-88 23:51:19 Sb: Additional Forums Fm: Doug Allen 73710,1365 To: Sysop I hope that this message is not totally misdirected...I am a member of an association known as AIIM (the Association for Information and Image Management) and have recently discussed the potential within the association for establishing an on-line FORUM for the Association's trade membership and professional society. Briefly we are involved with Document Management systems including: source document microfilm systems computer output microfilm systems, and Optical Disk systems.. We're concerned with hardware, software, and services. Our recent Annual Conference in Chicago drew more than 10,000 attendees and included more than 100,000 sq. ft. of exhibits. I'd like to hear how we might pursue the development of our own FORUM or how we might be included within an existing forum. Please pass this message along to the FORUM developers, or let me know what I need to do to pursue the matter further. THANKS!!! #: 563 S1/General Information 29-Apr-88 00:00:58 Sb: #537-Hello message. Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467 To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 (X) Eiichi - welcome to the forum! We need more members around here who are interested in the applications of CD-ROM to the humanities. I am curious about your concordance: what exactly does it do? And how did you write it (i.e. which interpreters & compilers)? Thanks, Mark #: 564 S3/CDROM Applications 29-Apr-88 16:27:18 Sb: Bookshelf Fm: Michael G Reed 71420,1707 To: Sysops/All Just discovered the CDROM Forum. Do any MS Bookshelf expertss hang out around here? Or does the forum have a more technical or business orientation? I'll hang out for a few days in any case to see what's going on. Nice to know you're here after tring over on MSAPP and getting so little useful feedback or support (with one or two memorable exceptions). Be seeing ya, -Michael{R} #: 565 S1/General Information 29-Apr-88 19:19:52 Sb: #538-CDI or DVI Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500 To: Mark Sterling 74335,1677 With computer generated imagery NOTHING gets lost. With digitized video you run image processing stuff on the image, this can be "dialed" as you like. In some cases the images actually improve in appearence. Typically the "background" gets washed, but you don't lose the details. #: 566 S1/General Information 29-Apr-88 19:55:52 Sb: #531-#Tandy's Thor CD Advance? Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500 To: Roy S. Laufer 72435,1025 (X) Actually If it takes 3 years to come out .... it could halt sales of current CD-ROM drivers and discs (the Osborne Syndrome, any announced un-shipping product is superior to any shipping product). 1 Reply #: 567 S1/General Information 29-Apr-88 19:55:59 Sb: #535-TANDY CDROM Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500 To: RICK MILLER 72637,1124 Atari also annonced a low cost CD-ROM drive back in March. #: 568 S1/General Information 29-Apr-88 19:56:10 Sb: #559-TANDY CDROM Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500 To: Roy S. Laufer 72435,1025 (X) If it can really record an entire Audio CD, then it's data capacity MUST be the same as a conventional CD-ROM. Yellow Book (CD-ROM) is a layer above Red Book (CD Audio). #: 569 S3/CDROM Applications 29-Apr-88 23:11:26 Sb: #349-cdrom Fm: Michael G Reed 71420,1707 To: sherwood egbert 71171,1774 There are software programs that will allow larger than 32Meg disk partitions. I don't remember the details, but if you GO IBMSW they'll be able to help you. You might ask about drawbacks if any...seems I lurked a thread about some conflict but I'm pretty sure it was with a specific disk test program called SpinRight. Sorry to not be clearer... -Michael{R} #: 570 S1/General Information 30-Apr-88 06:02:20 Sb: #Concordance Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X) I've used C compiler to develop my concordance system. It is now a combination of 5 to 10 progs. I'm glad there is someone who's interested. BTW, I've got an Amdek drive and run Bookshelf fine on it. 1 Reply #: 571 S1/General Information 30-Apr-88 12:38:24 Sb: #566-#Tandy's Thor CD Advance? Fm: Roy S. Laufer 72435,1025 To: Aegis Development 76067,2500 (X) With the confusion from CD-ROM CD-V and CD-I, I think that the technology doesn't need any other excuse for delay in mainstream use of optical technology. Although I wish Tandy were announcing viable products in the next quarter, I think that the announce advance in the technology was required before optical technology takes off! -RSL- 1 Reply #: 572 S1/General Information 30-Apr-88 13:35:32 Sb: CD Pressing Price Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500 To: All I don't know if this has been announced on this network. I just recieved a brochure from Discovery for CD-ROM Mastering and Pressing. Basically the offer is for a $1500 mastering, and a duplication cost of $2.00 per disc. To put this into perspective in 1985 (Jan.) our cost per 400K 3.5" disk was around the same amount. 400K to 500,000K in 4 years, not too bad. #: 573 S1/General Information 30-Apr-88 13:48:27 Sb: #571-#Tandy's Thor CD Advance? Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500 To: Roy S. Laufer 72435,1025 (X) See my message regarding the drop in prices for CD-ROM mastering and duplication. Mass market multi-media CD-ROM is a reality. And that reality is Macintosh, HyperCard, Animation and Apple's CD-ROM player. We can allways wait for the "next big thing" or we can make an industry happen today! William Volk VP Technical 1 Reply #: 574 S1/General Information 30-Apr-88 17:17:36 Sb: #570-#Concordance Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467 To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 (X) But what exactly does your concordance DO? How would one use it in an application? I'm a lawyer interested in developing full-text legal databases and thus I'm very interested in things like concordances. By the way, you might find literary critics at the Literature Forum; I think it's GO LIT. 1 Reply #: 575 S1/General Information 01-May-88 05:36:50 Sb: #574-#Concordance Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X) Well, Mark, my system of concordance does as normal concordances would do like the Concordance to the Bible. It alphabetically lists the words from the body of text and you can see the whole line the keyword is on. My style goes like: - headword (frequency) the verse the headword is in ------ followed by the location of the text - I've been to LIT forum once, but could not find anything of interest as yet. Maybe I'll go again, thanks. 1 Reply #: 576 S3/CDROM Applications 01-May-88 06:07:15 Sb: #PC DEMO CDROM Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 To: All I've often heard about the Discovery Systems PC Demo CDROM here. I think there's somebody who's connected with the Discovery Systems. I'm curious to know what is in that CDROM and how I can get it. Should I write to {the Discovery Systems? Thanks. EH P.S. I find it hard to insert blank lines into my message. I've often seen such messages here, but how can I do that? Any help'd be appreciated. 2 Replies #: 577 S1/General Information 01-May-88 09:57:17 Sb: #Panasonic WORMs Fm: Reuben Mezrich 72356,252 To: All Last week I had a demonstration of a Panasonic WORM drive. It is different than other WORMs in several respects. It is analog; It uses an 8" disk; and it is relatively expensive (about $15,000 for a recorder/player, about $4000 for a player only). It can be driven from hypercard, using standard commands. The representative claims several advantages when used as an image file, including very large storage capacity (about 16,000 images) and faster image "paint to screen" time (i.e. the time to actually get the image onto the screen once you have located the correct frame). He also claimed that, because it is analog,it is easier to do overlays (i.e.images from the WORM mixed with text or other images from another video source) than could be done with a standard digital disk. The demo looked nice, but then all demos look nice. Are there any comments? Does anyone have any experience with this system? Reuben 1 Reply #: 578 S1/General Information 01-May-88 10:11:03 Sb: #532-#kurzweil Fm: John McCormick 76360,44 To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X) The compuscan and IOC scanners are obviously page feed rather than flat bed or they wouldn't be able to handle stacks of paper. These two scanners don't recognise typeset although IOC told me that they would soon support this feature (albeit at a higher price) sometime real soon. the Compuscan scanner is by far the most accurate of any scanner I have tested except for the slightly less accurate IOC scanner. Recent improvements to the compuscan firmware should make it marginally better, but it was VERY accurate when I tested the different models. I wish you luck with your legal database ventures, but it looks to me like a very, very big job exx especially with two major competitors already entrenched. As for the $100 / hr rate, it seems to me that this is fairly in line with attourney's regular fees, or am I mistaken? I see the conversion of "free' gfovernemnt databases already supplied on 9-tr4ack tapes as being the biggest growth industry for small compannies, I know ofseveral already making profits in this area and there is a lot of Federal data just laying around waiting for people to put on CD-ROMs. 1 Reply #: 579 S1/General Information 01-May-88 15:04:58 Sb: #573-#Tandy's Thor CD Advance? Fm: Roy S. Laufer 72435,1025 To: Aegis Development 76067,2500 (X) It's the ancient hardware vs. software discussion! I haven't seen any low cost CD-ROM media available yet. I don't know too many people who can afford hundreds of dollars for a glorified Dictionary! -RSL- 1 Reply #: 580 S1/General Information 01-May-88 20:29:10 Sb: #577-Panasonic WORMs Fm: Pete Geyer 71211,2261 To: Reuben Mezrich 72356,252 What you describe sounds like the Panasonic VIDEODISC WORM, the Panasonic Optical Disc Player/Recorder (TQ-2026F), that goes for about $14,000 to $15,000. The player (TQ-2027F) goes for about $3,000 to $4,000. The recorder allows you to record up to 24,000 still frames (e.g., slides) or 13 minutes and 20 seconds of motion video, or an appropriate combination of still frames and motion video on one 8" disc. There are also two audio channels that provide up to 26 minutes and 40 seconds of audio (or 13 min./20 sec. for stereo sound). Both devices can play back video at the standard rate of 30 frames per second. They can also search for and display any one of the 24,000 frames in under a second. Everything is recorded as analog NTSC video. We're currently using these systems with Hypercard to develop interactive videos. Their primary use as I see it is in developing prototype interactive videodisc applications. But the future for interactive video will eventually belong to DIGITAL solutions like DVI (Digital Video Interactive) compact discs or whatever else comes along. - Pete Geyer #: 581 S1/General Information 01-May-88 23:56:21 Sb: #575-#Concordance Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467 To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 (X) Eiichi, sounds like an interesting program you wrote. How would I obtain a copy? How fast does it build its list, and are there any limits to the amount of text it will handle? Thanks, Mark 1 Reply #: 582 S1/General Information 02-May-88 00:14:44 Sb: #578-kurzweil Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467 To: John McCormick 76360,44 Well, John, virtually all the material I'd like to scan is typeset, so I'm looking hard at the Kurzweil. As for the economics, yes, it's true that $100/hr is typical for much lawyer time, but the point is that when they use Lexis or Westlaw the client must absorb that cost as well. As a result, only the largest law firms can afford to use those systems regularly (if an oil company's looking at tax law, a few bucks in research won't alarm the stockholders). CD-ROM makes it possible to "democratize" (ouch!) computer based legal research, probably right down to the sole practitioner serving the middle class. The question in my mind is when will the mainframe guys figure they better transfer their service to off-line, user-owned, micro-based media? They're making a hell of a lot selling it over the telephone (with proprietary software that prohibits downloading!). The market's probably big enough to support numerous outfits at any rate. #: 583 S1/General Information 02-May-88 01:38:03 Sb: ATARI CDROM Fm: Tom Roscoe 71777,2564 To: Aegis Development 76067,2500 (X) Atari showed CD-ROM at the CES show in June 85. Still waiting for Developers info on buying a drive after MS-CONF. #: 584 S1/General Information 02-May-88 01:56:50 Sb: #581-Concordance Fm: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 Mark, I wrote a treatise on the concordance programs (with the source codes). Though it is written in Japanese, if you or anybody around you can read the language, I'd be glad to send you an offprint. Please tell me by E-mail where I can send it to. My programs can handle as long as memory permits. Normally output file is around 500K long from 30K original file. (Alphabetical indexing increases the size very much.) At the moment my system is limited to poetry, where basic data are {composed of one ,ige each, whereas in the case of prose (legal documents or whatever other documents) the data structure should be different. For that field of application I have not begun my study yet. I have recently found a superb program that can handle such data. It is MEMLANE (memory lane) in IBMSW data library. It is worth looking at. Though it is very excellent, the author's name is not known. I'd really like to thank the author, though. Someday these data (indexed data) can be put on a CD-ROM rather cheaply and everybody can get most out of it. Thanks, EH. #: 585 S3/CDROM Applications 02-May-88 09:10:47 Sb: #576-PC DEMO CDROM Fm: Jack Ryan 76164,1273 To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 The CDROM Sampler is described in message #440. If you would like a copy drop me a note on Easyplex or on your letterhead. Thanks.. Jack Ryan #: 586 S1/General Information 02-May-88 10:59:34 Sb: #579-Tandy's Thor CD Advance? Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500 To: Roy S. Laufer 72435,1025 At a $1500 mastering price, and a $2.00 per disk duplication it's possible to create cheap CD-ROM titles. In 1985 we sold Macintosh games at $39.95 retail and the duplications numbers were the same or worse. I do now that some of the Mac user groups have announced titles at <$100. Here's a question, is there a market for CD-ROM games???? #: 587 S3/CDROM Applications 02-May-88 12:44:19 Sb: #576-PC DEMO CDROM Fm: Michael G Reed 71420,1707 To: Eiichi Hishikawa 76661,132 You should consider using TAPCIS ($79) or ATO (free) for your Forum work. They let you choose all interesting msgs offline then go back on to retrieve those you want and read them offline too...and much more. If you're interested, go WPSG and download TAPCIS.INF from DL #12 . Can't help with ATO as I don't use it but here it's similar. Both will ease the work and cut the expense...I would have been long gone without TAPCIS. -Michael{R}